Comments on: Are Particle Accelerators Worthwhile? http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile Helping you to get the most out of modern technology and communications since 2004. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:48:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: kow http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-5226 kow Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:28:57 +0000 #comment-5226 The LHC may help us understand (besides many other things) what gravity really is and how it works. Finding out this worth a lot of money. You simply can't imagine the future value of these researches. The previous "rounds" gave us the fundamentals of modern electonics. The LHC may help us understand (besides many other things) what gravity really is and how it works. Finding out this worth a lot of money.

You simply can’t imagine the future value of these researches. The previous “rounds” gave us the fundamentals of modern electonics.

]]> By: YouGotOwned http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-4043 YouGotOwned Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:44:32 +0000 #comment-4043 ha, is it a crt? I wouldn’t buy it for 20 bucks lol, unless I have a screen for it, or its really nice, how do you build custom TV’s anyways? Why would you want too? Well, if we could understand quantum physics more deeply than it might lead to a better understanding of how we can possibly manipulate physics, when you talk about our sun, it is essentially a fusion reactor. Now that’s a huge amount of energy that we cannot recreate. If that’s a huge amount then the energy required at the big bang is enormous. 8 billion? A single Nuclear reactor costs around 4 b, france has alot of those. Anyways who wouldn’t want a jet pack or flying car that runs on principles of quantum physics, travel to distant galaxies, hehe. If we prove parallel universes, well that’s right up there with alien life. hmmmmmm.. oh and lhc doesnt come close to those amounts of energy because its in a small vaccum, which makes it possible to study. I guess what im really trying to say without the jokes is that if you dont have projects like these it is simply hard to get anywhere in quantum physics with the current technology we have. Oh was this supossed to be some kind of yes or no question? ha, is it a crt? I wouldn’t buy it for 20 bucks lol, unless I have a screen for it, or its really nice, how do you build custom TV’s anyways? Why would you want too? Well, if we could understand quantum physics more deeply than it might lead to a better understanding of how we can possibly manipulate physics, when you talk about our sun, it is essentially a fusion reactor. Now that’s a huge amount of energy that we cannot recreate. If that’s a huge amount then the energy required at the big bang is enormous. 8 billion? A single Nuclear reactor costs around 4 b, france has alot of those. Anyways who wouldn’t want a jet pack or flying car that runs on principles of quantum physics, travel to distant galaxies, hehe. If we prove parallel universes, well that’s right up there with alien life. hmmmmmm.. oh and lhc doesnt come close to those amounts of energy because its in a small vaccum, which makes it possible to study. I guess what im really trying to say without the jokes is that if you dont have projects like these it is simply hard to get anywhere in quantum physics with the current technology we have. Oh was this supossed to be some kind of yes or no question?

]]> By: inda caldwelll http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-3924 inda caldwelll Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:49:54 +0000 #comment-3924 Is there anyone out there that can tell me WHAT in particular these machines are good for (i.e. specific types of medical equipment etc.) Because in my opinion and many other people, WHY in Gods name are we spending all this money!!! There are so many that suffer from poverty, illness, desease, etc. Spending such huge amounts of money on a whim that they "might" find an answer to the beginning of the universe is also a massive waste of energy and time! I don't understand how they get the financial backing for these ideas! What has the human race come to? When we as a people can turn our heads away from all the real NEED in this world and just play with VERY BIG TOYS....It's obscene! I am completely at a loss............................. Is there anyone out there that can tell me WHAT in particular these machines are good for (i.e. specific types of medical equipment etc.) Because in my opinion and many other people, WHY in Gods name are we spending all this money!!! There are so many that suffer from poverty, illness, desease, etc. Spending such huge amounts of money on a whim that they “might” find an answer to the beginning of the universe is also a massive waste of energy and time! I don’t understand how they get the financial backing for these ideas! What has the human race come to? When we as a people can turn our heads away from all the real NEED in this world and just play with VERY BIG TOYS….It’s obscene! I am completely at a loss………………………..

]]> By: kris http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-3839 kris Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:20:45 +0000 #comment-3839 I heard some1 say the money could be used for finding a solution to global warming. You know its funny how people buy into these propagandas, we only contribute to 2-3% of the atmospheric gasses that cause global warming, it's a naturally ocurring event (i.e. the ice age). Therefor if u want the money to be flushed down the toilet by all means but this partical accelorator could give us great insight into the subatomic world which coud lead to more medical science and even a break through in the ultimate question, why are we here? I heard some1 say the money could be used for finding a solution to global warming. You know its funny how people buy into these propagandas, we only contribute to 2-3% of the atmospheric gasses that cause global warming, it’s a naturally ocurring event (i.e. the ice age). Therefor if u want the money to be flushed down the toilet by all means but this partical accelorator could give us great insight into the subatomic world which coud lead to more medical science and even a break through in the ultimate question, why are we here?

]]> By: Lee http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-3716 Lee Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:22:46 +0000 #comment-3716 I think the machine at CERN is a stargate. I think the machine at CERN is a stargate.

]]> By: wtr http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-3700 wtr Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:22:20 +0000 #comment-3700 Well, nobody, not even Einstein himself, could think about all the thousands of possible uses of quantum mechanics or general relativity we enjoy dayly. And qm is a science of the smallest, relativity the science of the fastest (or heaviest) things thinkable. It was plain basic research at its early time and nobody thought of any practical use. But the most valuable argument to spend the money here (my opinion) is: Have you thought about how much it costs us (the world, mankind) to produce, deploy, train people for and use the weapons (machines made to destroy) each year? The LHC is a very large project where many countries cooperate scientifically, and it runs for decades. So the yearly costs are more in the range of $1.5-2 bn. The amount of $$ for weapons is about twice this amount EVERY DAY (USA alone spends around $600 bn/year)! Wouldn't it help the world much more if we spent this money for something more useful? The costs of war/weapons usually are *much* higher than the costs of knowledge. Well,
nobody, not even Einstein himself, could think about all the thousands of possible uses of quantum mechanics or general relativity we enjoy dayly. And qm is a science of
the smallest, relativity the science of the fastest (or heaviest) things thinkable. It was plain basic research at its early time and nobody thought of any practical use.

But the most valuable argument to spend the money here (my opinion) is: Have you thought about how much it costs us (the world, mankind) to produce, deploy, train people for and use the weapons (machines made to destroy) each year? The LHC is a very large project where many countries cooperate scientifically, and it runs for decades.
So the yearly costs are more in the range of $1.5-2 bn. The amount of $$ for weapons is about twice this amount EVERY DAY (USA alone spends around $600 bn/year)! Wouldn’t it help the world much more if we spent this money for something more useful?
The costs of war/weapons usually are *much* higher than the costs of knowledge.

]]> By: Christopher Columbus http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-2984 Christopher Columbus Mon, 12 May 2008 15:01:19 +0000 #comment-2984 You know that's the same thing the King of Portugal, John the II, said to me about getting to India by sailing across the Ocean Sea (the Atlantic). After all, the Kings son had just successfully navigated around the tip of Africa so there really was no need to go west anymore. Thankfully, Queen Isabella took a liking to my idea ( I have to say that even though it was Ferdinand that actually convinced her to give me the cash), otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Exploration is necessary. While expecting to find one thing (a western sea route to India), I found a whole continent! You never know what will happen. Thanks, Chris You know that’s the same thing the King of Portugal, John the II, said to me about getting to India by sailing across the Ocean Sea (the Atlantic). After all, the Kings son had just successfully navigated around the tip of Africa so there really was no need to go west anymore.
Thankfully, Queen Isabella took a liking to my idea ( I have to say that even though it was Ferdinand that actually convinced her to give me the cash), otherwise we would not be having this conversation.
Exploration is necessary. While expecting to find one thing (a western sea route to India), I found a whole continent! You never know what will happen.
Thanks,
Chris

]]> By: notepad http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-2881 notepad Fri, 02 May 2008 16:38:05 +0000 #comment-2881 Strangelet, black hole or wormhole? This is a quote from: http://www.notepad.ch Professor Dr. Otto E. Rössler (winner University of Liège Chaos Award and René Descartes Award), Dr. Raj Baldev (Director of the Indira Gandhi Center for Atomic Research) and others are warning of a very real, very possible, very present danger to the planet from the Large Hadron Collider. Dr. Rössler predicts that a single microblackhole could destroy the planet in as little and 50 months. His calculations have been released for peer review.' Source: http://www.notepad.ch/blogs/index.php?s=r% F6ssler&sentence=AND&submit=Search (Original interview with Prof. Rössler / German) Bing Bang in the tube - does the CERN create black holes? http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjYobXKebM Strangelet, black hole or wormhole?

This is a quote from:
http://www.notepad.ch

Professor Dr. Otto E. Rössler (winner University of

Liège Chaos Award and René Descartes Award), Dr. Raj

Baldev (Director of the Indira Gandhi Center for Atomic

Research) and others are warning of a very real, very

possible, very present danger to the planet from the

Large Hadron Collider. Dr. Rössler predicts that a

single microblackhole could destroy the planet in as

little and 50 months. His calculations have been

released for peer review.’ Source:

http://www.notepad.ch/blogs/index.php?s=r%

F6ssler&sentence=AND&submit=Search

(Original interview with Prof. Rössler / German)
Bing Bang in the tube – does the CERN create black

holes?
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjYobXKebM

]]> By: Sunny Boy http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-1593 Sunny Boy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1593 <p>Although you've made a very good point and posed a good question, I think the answer is simply yes. The governments of the countries involved put forward the money towards places like CERN and leave finding cures etc. to businesses.</p><p>If our government decided not to chip in for the some of the costs, I don't think they'd divert that money towards helping other countries but to our own needs such as defence and public services. Where would you want the money to go - building a particle accelerator or a shiny new ship you'll never get anything from? <br /></p> Although you’ve made a very good point and posed a good question, I think the answer is simply yes. The governments of the countries involved put forward the money towards places like CERN and leave finding cures etc. to businesses.

If our government decided not to chip in for the some of the costs, I don’t think they’d divert that money towards helping other countries but to our own needs such as defence and public services. Where would you want the money to go – building a particle accelerator or a shiny new ship you’ll never get anything from?

]]> By: Tim http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/2455-Are-Particle-Accelerators-Worthwhile/comment-page-1#comment-1594 Tim Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1594 <p>Advancing the race's knowledge *is* the ultimate goal, not least because you can do it regardless of bodily health. Without it you don't get as many spin-offs, potentially into short-sighted "human interest" topics such as medical research. </p><p> "Is it worth pouring over $8billion into a project which ultimately will not lead to any practical benefit or technology?"</p><p>Yes; and you've not demonstrated that this particular case is one such.</p><p> "At the same time, $8.2billion could do so much good elsewhere. Maybe we can develop treatments for cancers or AIDS, which could save millions of lives."</p><p>Right. The US government has squandered over $1*trillion* on killing people in the illegal invasion of Iraq to date. Which do you think is more likely?<br /></p> Advancing the race’s knowledge *is* the ultimate goal, not least because you can do it regardless of bodily health. Without it you don’t get as many spin-offs, potentially into short-sighted "human interest" topics such as medical research.

 "Is it worth pouring over $8billion into a project which ultimately will not lead to any practical benefit or technology?"

Yes; and you’ve not demonstrated that this particular case is one such.

 "At the same time, $8.2billion could do so much good elsewhere. Maybe we can develop treatments for cancers or AIDS, which could save millions of lives."

Right. The US government has squandered over $1*trillion* on killing people in the illegal invasion of Iraq to date. Which do you think is more likely?

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