Comments on: Are we real? http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real Helping you to get the most out of modern technology and communications since 2004. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:38:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Andrew Smith http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-9090 Andrew Smith Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:51:21 +0000 #comment-9090 Sean Where do you get this theory that the computer would need to be as big a the universe ? Watching a computer game that is low res just means the tiles are low res and moving up to HD would require only a little more memory and do remember you don't need to store data down to the last atom because you just need to simulate the atoms when someone/thing is looking. Sim city does not need a computer the size of a city to run and we are backwards when it comes to computers because we only use zero and ones or on/off in the electronics for memory. You also need to know that our computers are limited by being forced to use the laws of physics that have been allowed for in this simulation or put another way if no one programmed simm city to allow people to bribe the politicans then no one would be able to bribe politicians. Sean

Where do you get this theory that the computer would need to be as big a the universe ?

Watching a computer game that is low res just means the tiles are low res and moving up to HD would require only a little more memory and do remember you don't need to store data down to the last atom because you just need to simulate the atoms when someone/thing is looking.

Sim city does not need a computer the size of a city to run and we are backwards when it comes to computers because we only use zero and ones or on/off in the electronics for memory.

You also need to know that our computers are limited by being forced to use the laws of physics that have been allowed for in this simulation or put another way if no one programmed simm city to allow people to bribe the politicans then no one would be able to bribe politicians.

]]> By: Sean http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-8948 Sean Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:34:46 +0000 #comment-8948 You have not factored in the amount of information processing required (and the amount of data this particular universe contains, after starting from zero data). The cosmos is indeed a quantum computer. But the only computer big enough to run the software and handle the data is...the universe. For a primer on this, read Dr Seth Lloyd's "Programming the Universe". You have not factored in the amount of information processing required (and the amount of data this particular universe contains, after starting from zero data). The cosmos is indeed a quantum computer. But the only computer big enough to run the software and handle the data is…the universe. For a primer on this, read Dr Seth Lloyd's "Programming the Universe".

]]> By: Andrew smith http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-8804 Andrew smith Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:21:46 +0000 #comment-8804 Don't know about god making the earth in seven days or the big bang but i do know that we not only can but will simulate life and if it addes to the pleasure by having a virtual world that contains some type of God then i guess we would throw that in to see what type of outcome we get. This is all very cutting edge but worth looking at if your logical like me. Don't know about god making the earth in seven days or the big bang but i do know that we not only can but will simulate life and if it addes to the pleasure by having a virtual world that contains some type of God then i guess we would throw that in to see what type of outcome we get.

This is all very cutting edge but worth looking at if your logical like me.

]]> By: Stephen Howell http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-10313 Stephen Howell Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:38:02 +0000 #comment-10313 I enjoyed your article and for the past couple of years I have come to believe that what we experience is not real. Two years ago I had an enlightenment experience. It lasted for two months. Many things happened and my awareness of the world completely changed during those days. My views of all the key issues such as religion, spirituality, politics, truth etc. all changed within a matter of seconds once the experience began. One of the key understandings that happened within seconds of the experience beginning was a keen understanding that our reality is not real. The knowledge doesn't come with an explanation, but the understanding is total, complete, and understandable. Once it happens you immediately understand the things we perceive as real simply are not. I enjoyed your article and for the past couple of years I have come to believe that what we experience is not real. Two years ago I had an enlightenment experience. It lasted for two months. Many things happened and my awareness of the world completely changed during those days. My views of all the key issues such as religion, spirituality, politics, truth etc. all changed within a matter of seconds once the experience began. One of the key understandings that happened within seconds of the experience beginning was a keen understanding that our reality is not real. The knowledge doesn't come with an explanation, but the understanding is total, complete, and understandable. Once it happens you immediately understand the things we perceive as real simply are not.

]]> By: sunburnt http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-5710 sunburnt Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:42:08 +0000 #comment-5710 hi, The idea of living in a simulated world has been a long held belief by hindus.... they called it as "MAYA"....!!!....Where everything is controlled by God.....there is no right or wrong.....according to "bhagavat Gita" (one of the holy book of the hindus) we only have dharma(duty).... or choices(as said by the oracle in the movie matrix) That being said...here is a certain theory that i have been working on...its based on the eastern philosophies of hinduism, buddhism ,the pagan teachings of ancient europe and countless formulated and well established theories i have come across on virtual reality, Boson particle, string theory, uncertainity principle, quantum physics,..etc. We are all conscious beings...and every consious being creates its own world!!!!...it interprets the information around it in its own way....!!But humans are the highest forms of consiousness(in our realities....more on this later)..we have created standards and even control the reality of other beings. Consider a simulated world in which the sky is red in colour!! lets introduce a conscious being say Mr.X into this world.....he with his power of perception finds the sky in a different colour, lets say blue(*but in acutality its red in colour...)...he coins the word blue to describe the colour of the sky!!! Now another consious being Mr.Y is inroduced into this world..he with his own power of perception sees the sky in a colour different from blue, lets say yellow, but before he can get on with the job of coining names for colours Mr.X interacts with Mr.Y and tells him the sky is blue in colour...So Mr.Y gives the name blue to the colour of the sky(*eventhough what he actually sees is yellow...)....Now whenever Mr.X and Mr.Y come across a red coloured object they see different colours....but will agree on seeing the same colour, blue...the only way Mr.X can acertain that Mr.Y sees the same colour as him is by becoming Mr.Y!! In other words Mr.X and Mr.Y live in 2 different worlds but agree on living in the same world.....!!!!! Okay .... everything seems to be in order and harmony here..lets spice it up and introduce a lil chaos into the lives of our lab rats :P !!!..... Another consious being Mr.Z has been kept in complete isolation from Mr.X and Mr.Y all this while....this Mr.Z also sees the sky differently in a colour different from red, blue and yellow, say green. So in the absence of interaction with Mr.X and Mr.Y...he calls this colour green(*remember the sky is still red in colour from our perspective)!!!Now..what if Mr.Z was to stumble upon Mr.Y and Mr.X....Kaboom...all hell's gonna break loose.... Mr.X is gonna disagree with Mr.Z and Mr.Y who has his world defined by Mr.X will support Mr.X...... Mr.Z will be casted out as being crazy!!!!! The same can hold true in our world.....maybe we'all live in different worlds....but have our worlds defined by our textbooks and media (Mr.X).... anybody who acts different is considered a pyscho or a deviant (Mr.Z)......how will we ever know...??? Iam not sure as to how well i could express my thoughts on this matter.....but iam open to discussions and arguments.....Iam might be nuts...but all Iam looking for is answers....!!!! :) hi,

The idea of living in a simulated world has been a long held belief by hindus…. they called it as “MAYA”….!!!….Where everything is controlled by God…..there is no right or wrong…..according to “bhagavat Gita” (one of the holy book of the hindus) we only have dharma(duty)…. or choices(as said by the oracle in the movie matrix)
That being said…here is a certain theory that i have been working on…its based on the eastern philosophies of hinduism, buddhism ,the pagan teachings of ancient europe and countless formulated and well established theories i have come across on virtual reality, Boson particle, string theory, uncertainity principle, quantum physics,..etc.
We are all conscious beings…and every consious being creates its own world!!!!…it interprets the information around it in its own way….!!But humans are the highest forms of consiousness(in our realities….more on this later)..we have created standards and even control the reality of other beings.
Consider a simulated world in which the sky is red in colour!! lets introduce a conscious being say Mr.X into this world…..he with his power of perception finds the sky in a different colour, lets say blue(*but in acutality its red in colour…)…he coins the word blue to describe the colour of the sky!!! Now another consious being Mr.Y is inroduced into this world..he with his own power of perception sees the sky in a colour different from blue, lets say yellow, but before he can get on with the job of coining names for colours Mr.X interacts with Mr.Y and tells him the sky is blue in colour…So Mr.Y gives the name blue to the colour of the sky(*eventhough what he actually sees is yellow…)….Now whenever Mr.X and Mr.Y come across a red coloured object they see different colours….but will agree on seeing the same colour, blue…the only way Mr.X can acertain that Mr.Y sees the same colour as him is by becoming Mr.Y!!
In other words Mr.X and Mr.Y live in 2 different worlds but agree on living in the same world…..!!!!!
Okay …. everything seems to be in order and harmony here..lets spice it up and introduce a lil chaos into the lives of our lab rats :P !!!….. Another consious being Mr.Z has been kept in complete isolation from Mr.X and Mr.Y all this while….this Mr.Z also sees the sky differently in a colour different from red, blue and yellow, say green. So in the absence of interaction with Mr.X and Mr.Y…he calls this colour green(*remember the sky is still red in colour from our perspective)!!!Now..what if Mr.Z was to stumble upon Mr.Y and Mr.X….Kaboom…all hell’s gonna break loose…. Mr.X is gonna disagree with Mr.Z and Mr.Y who has his world defined by Mr.X will support Mr.X…… Mr.Z will be casted out as being crazy!!!!!
The same can hold true in our world…..maybe we’all live in different worlds….but have our worlds defined by our textbooks and media (Mr.X)…. anybody who acts different is considered a pyscho or a deviant (Mr.Z)……how will we ever know…???

Iam not sure as to how well i could express my thoughts on this matter…..but iam open to discussions and arguments…..Iam might be nuts…but all Iam looking for is answers….!!!! :)

]]> By: James Douglas http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-5223 James Douglas Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:36:32 +0000 #comment-5223 If we do indeed exist within a simulation, this certainly implies that our technologies, including our computational technology, is also simulated. If this is so, maybe we are making incorrect correlations between our computing abilities and those used to 'run' the simulation we are in. Some may disbelieve in the Matrix theory based purely on the limitations of our current computing power, yet it must be realized that what we regard as being possible now, may be by contrast absurdly crude, almost to the point of ridicule by those 'outside' the simulation. It is a mistake I feel, to compare our computing techniques and abilities to those running such a simulation, as I suspect any kind of computational power required to run such a simulation would be literally beyond our understanding and comprehension, and in our 'reality', the computers we have developed so far are like monkeys using sticks as weapons. If we take this kind of 'reduction for function' theory a little further, maybe the universal speed limit, the speed of light, is also 'built in' to our simulation. Perhaps it is a mechanism to prevent us from eventually being able to travel faster than light, only to reach the 'edge' of the simulation itself. Or, maybe even more strange - what if I'm the only person in this simulation? Only I can experience my own consciousness, so it's impossible for me to know for sure that 'you' or anyone else exists within this simulation. You are simply here for me to interact with, within the simulation. If this scenario were true, then only my consciousness/reality would need to be computed. My own consciousness in a relatively small simulation. For example; when I look up into the night sky, yes - there are stars, and I'm realistically informed that they are many light years away. Given that I will never be able to travel to those stars, it would be an easy mechanism to convince me that the stars exist, and yes, they are very far away, when actually, they wouldn't need to be simulated at all, well, not to any great detail. They would simply be points of light in my simulation. There would be no need to simulate the stars as massive luminous balls of gas far away - that would be a waste of computing power. Simply make me believe that the stars are very massive, and very far away, as I will not encounter them close-up. Or, if I were to take a plane to another country, the route I take, and my vision as far as my eyes can see is all that's required to be simulated. Once I arrive at my destination, only the scenery around me, and the landscape as far as I can see needs to be computed and simulated. It seems the more we think about a Matrix, the more bizarre it seems to become. Would we really be allowed to contemplate a Matrix within a Matrix? . If we do indeed exist within a simulation, this certainly implies that our technologies, including our computational technology, is also simulated. If this is so, maybe we are making incorrect correlations between our computing abilities and those used to ‘run’ the simulation we are in. Some may disbelieve in the Matrix theory based purely on the limitations of our current computing power, yet it must be realized that what we regard as being possible now, may be by contrast absurdly crude, almost to the point of ridicule by those ‘outside’ the simulation. It is a mistake I feel, to compare our computing techniques and abilities to those running such a simulation, as I suspect any kind of computational power required to run such a simulation would be literally beyond our understanding and comprehension, and in our ‘reality’, the computers we have developed so far are like monkeys using sticks as weapons.

If we take this kind of ‘reduction for function’ theory a little further, maybe the universal speed limit, the speed of light, is also ‘built in’ to our simulation. Perhaps it is a mechanism to prevent us from eventually being able to travel faster than light, only to reach the ‘edge’ of the simulation itself.

Or, maybe even more strange – what if I’m the only person in this simulation? Only I can experience my own consciousness, so it’s impossible for me to know for sure that ‘you’ or anyone else exists within this simulation. You are simply here for me to interact with, within the simulation. If this scenario were true, then only my consciousness/reality would need to be computed. My own consciousness in a relatively small simulation. For example; when I look up into the night sky, yes – there are stars, and I’m realistically informed that they are many light years away. Given that I will never be able to travel to those stars, it would be an easy mechanism to convince me that the stars exist, and yes, they are very far away, when actually, they wouldn’t need to be simulated at all, well, not to any great detail. They would simply be points of light in my simulation. There would be no need to simulate the stars as massive luminous balls of gas far away – that would be a waste of computing power. Simply make me believe that the stars are very massive, and very far away, as I will not encounter them close-up. Or, if I were to take a plane to another country, the route I take, and my vision as far as my eyes can see is all that’s required to be simulated. Once I arrive at my destination, only the scenery around me, and the landscape as far as I can see needs to be computed and simulated.

It seems the more we think about a Matrix, the more bizarre it seems to become.

Would we really be allowed to contemplate a Matrix within a Matrix?

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]]> By: Monica http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-5208 Monica Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:55:24 +0000 #comment-5208 I belive I have figured out this world and what it is. I belive we are living in a simulation and that we are in it because are real self is a spirit,ghost what ever you want to call it and we as a spirit world what to live in a more fisical realm so there for we have made this simulation as a way to have that body and world be as real as possible. I belive the rules are similar to a video game you come into the world and if you play good, then when we die we can come back to this world but if we don't play fair the game is over for that spirit and he/she is are not aloud to come back to the simulation. I belive this is why we have so many spirits in the simulation/world and that they want to be able to be in the simulation but have screwed up and can't come back so they haunt us. I think this is why you hear of some people dieing and then seeing a light and then they see spirit figures and some how there is a destion made that they should or should not come back. The term spirit guide I think is true. we do have sprit guides like angles. Judgement day I think is true, we are judged as to weather we can come back to the simulation. Hell on earth I belive is true for those who can't come back because all they want is to feel and taste and smell and enloy all the little pleasures but they can't, they can see us enjoying them and so it is hell for them, stuck watching us enjoy the simulation while they are stuck in a spirit world. I belive this is why egyptians where so upsessed with the spirit world and so many cultures respect it because that is our real world and this one is the simulation all made for us as a prevlage to enjoy. All this world is, is a computer and there are gleeches just like a computer that is why there is dajhvoo that is a gleech. I belive in norstadamses therory of time and that we live in the past, present and future. I belive time travel is very possible because of this therory we have to find out how to navigate the simulation. Dajhvoo is bigger than we know and tells us so much more than. Oh wow I remember that happing before. We are living in simulated body's like the matrix and we can program our minds to think any way we want in turn having anything we want or doing anything we want in this world. We are programmed as kids with our parents when they instill what they call us or how they treat us. We need to re-program our minds buy getting thing's like the silva method or motivational video's and cd's that work both sides of our brain, we can re program it. One day it will be as easy as the matrix and we can just link up to a program and down load. I belive I have figured out this world and what it is.
I belive we are living in a simulation and that we are in it because are real self is a spirit,ghost what ever you want to call it and we as a spirit world what to live in a more fisical realm so there for we have made this simulation as a way to have that body and world be as real as possible.
I belive the rules are similar to a video game you come into the world and if you play good, then when we die we can come back to this world but if we don’t play fair the game is over for that spirit and he/she is are not aloud to come back to the simulation.
I belive this is why we have so many spirits in the simulation/world and that they want to be able to be in the simulation but have screwed up and can’t come back so they haunt us. I think this is why you hear of some people dieing and then seeing a light and then they see spirit figures and some how there is a destion made that they should or should not come back.
The term spirit guide I think is true. we do have sprit guides like angles.
Judgement day I think is true, we are judged as to weather we can come back to the simulation.
Hell on earth I belive is true for those who can’t come back because all they want is to feel and taste and smell and enloy all the little pleasures but they can’t, they can see us enjoying them and so it is hell for them, stuck watching us enjoy the simulation while they are stuck in a spirit world.

I belive this is why egyptians where so upsessed with the spirit world and so many cultures respect it because that is our real world and this one is the simulation all made for us as a prevlage to enjoy.

All this world is, is a computer and there are gleeches just like a computer that is why there is dajhvoo that is a gleech. I belive in norstadamses therory of time and that we live in the past, present and future. I belive time travel is very possible because of this therory we have to find out how to navigate the simulation.

Dajhvoo is bigger than we know and tells us so much more than. Oh wow I remember that happing before.

We are living in simulated body’s like the matrix and we can program our minds to think any way we want in turn having anything we want or doing anything we want in this world.
We are programmed as kids with our parents when they instill what they call us or how they treat us.
We need to re-program our minds buy getting thing’s like the silva method or motivational video’s and cd’s that work both sides of our brain, we can re program it.
One day it will be as easy as the matrix and we can just link up to a program and down load.

]]> By: Monica http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-5188 Monica Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:25:36 +0000 #comment-5188 My whole life I always questioned life and never belived in the god therory. I do have one thing that happens to me pretty much my whole life and now it finally makes since, since I learned about the simulation therory. When I look up on the ceiling or in the sky if I relax I see what looks like a computer when it is broken. Just yesterday I was waiting for my kids to get off the bus and in my perrifeil vision in the sky, was it again, it is like the sky moves and some computer comes through like the sky is having a glech. It is so hard to describe. If I stare at the ceiling laying down it looks like some port whole is opening and I feel like I can touch it but as soon as I try it's just the ceiling. The ceiling moves like in waves but wow when the shy did it, it hit me we are not leaving in reality. My god it bothers me to think of my kids as not being real and boy it pisses me off but now I just want to find out how to crack the code. I have always had a very unique mind. When I dream I can control my dreams and I know I'm in a dream, I can do anything and go any where in my dreams. My consious mind is aware of the sub-consious mind in my sleep and for alot of people that is hard to do or in possible. I can see aroras time to time only when massaging. All I know is I'm on here tonight because I needed answers to what I have been seeing and feeling about this so called world. I wish that I can just jump out of this simulation and live in a life I feel I can really control outside of my dreams. If I can see the flaws in the simulation then can I break out and how? For those of you on hear preching GOD please find that kind of site. I can tell you there is know god like what is in the bible. Maybe a creater but not a god like what is in the bible. it's all a lie My whole life I always questioned life and never belived in the god therory.
I do have one thing that happens to me pretty much my whole life and now it finally makes since, since I learned about the simulation therory.
When I look up on the ceiling or in the sky if I relax I see what looks like a computer when it is broken. Just yesterday I was waiting for my kids to get off the bus and in my perrifeil vision in the sky, was it again, it is like the sky moves and some computer comes through like the sky is having a glech.
It is so hard to describe.
If I stare at the ceiling laying down it looks like some port whole is opening and I feel like I can touch it but as soon as I try it’s just the ceiling. The ceiling moves like in waves but wow when the shy did it, it hit me we are not leaving in reality.
My god it bothers me to think of my kids as not being real and boy it pisses me off but now I just want to find out how to crack the code.
I have always had a very unique mind.
When I dream I can control my dreams and I know I’m in a dream, I can do anything and go any where in my dreams. My consious mind is aware of the sub-consious mind in my sleep and for alot of people that is hard to do or in possible.
I can see aroras time to time only when massaging.
All I know is I’m on here tonight because I needed answers to what I have been seeing and feeling about this so called world.
I wish that I can just jump out of this simulation and live in a life I feel I can really control outside of my dreams.
If I can see the flaws in the simulation then can I break out and how?

For those of you on hear preching GOD please find that kind of site.
I can tell you there is know god like what is in the bible. Maybe a creater but not a god like what is in the bible.
it’s all a lie

]]> By: rich huntley http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-4580 rich huntley Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:13:56 +0000 #comment-4580 I donot believe we are real, if we are how is god possible? i was born on christmas day my fathers middle name is joseph my mothers middle name is mary my national insurance number starts with jc and when the numbers are translated to letters it reads IECADB. i hane a number 389OA in my right eye and a birth mark on the back of my head, no joke. a while back i had a run in with the deil and was forced to terminate it, it threatened to harm my family. turns out god was the same consciousnss so it went the same way. if we are real or not dosent really matter as its all relativity. we are here to preserve the way of life. what a good/bad job we all do. i believe in peace and privacy for all mankind be them/us what ever way shape and form we are. peace to all man kind and the way of life x I donot believe we are real, if we are how is god possible? i was born on christmas day my fathers middle name is joseph my mothers middle name is mary my national insurance number starts with jc and when the numbers are translated to letters it reads IECADB. i hane a number 389OA in my right eye and a birth mark on the back of my head, no joke. a while back i had a run in with the deil and was forced to terminate it, it threatened to harm my family. turns out god was the same consciousnss so it went the same way. if we are real or not dosent really matter as its all relativity. we are here to preserve the way of life. what a good/bad job we all do. i believe in peace and privacy for all mankind be them/us what ever way shape and form we are. peace to all man kind and the way of life x

]]> By: luke http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1922-Are-We-Real/comment-page-2#comment-4543 luke Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:12:06 +0000 #comment-4543 Think of the mind as a tool, like a pen, a pen is great for writing, but it would fail at putting nails into wood, for that you would use a hammer. Just as are mind is great for interpreting the world around us, and making decisions in the various life scenarios we find ourselves in, but for answering the questions of who we are what we are, why we are here, are we real, and questions like that, we need to find a different tool. And I think that tool has been found by a few people in the past, like the Buddha, Jesus, and also some people that are a live today. To ask am I real suggests that there is more than you, there is you, and who ever is asking that question. Who are you, and who is asking if you exist. I think we are all living an illusion that we are our thoughts, and our ego is what makes us hold onto this identification with thought. Once you can stop Identifying with thought, I think the answer to this question will come very easily, you will realize the question itself came from your ego, which is an illusion, and what was causing you to be addicted and Identified with thought. hope this helps Somebody had a great imagination, who came up with this question, but I think it is just that imagination, not reality. Think of the mind as a tool, like a pen, a pen is great for writing, but it would fail at putting nails into wood, for that you would use a hammer. Just as are mind is great for interpreting the world around us, and making decisions in the various life scenarios we find ourselves in, but for answering the questions of who we are what we are, why we are here, are we real, and questions like that, we need to find a different tool. And I think that tool has been found by a few people in the past, like the Buddha, Jesus, and also some people that are a live today. To ask am I real suggests that there is more than you, there is you, and who ever is asking that question. Who are you, and who is asking if you exist. I think we are all living an illusion that we are our thoughts, and our ego is what makes us hold onto this identification with thought. Once you can stop Identifying with thought, I think the answer to this question will come very easily, you will realize the question itself came from your ego, which is an illusion, and what was causing you to be addicted and Identified with thought. hope this helps
Somebody had a great imagination, who came up with this question, but I think it is just that imagination, not reality.

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