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		<title>By: sarah hall</title>
		<link>http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1031-Testing-Your-Site-In-Safari/comment-page-1#comment-4589</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I occasionally use browserpool, a little out of date for a virtual methinks but useful all the same.  Can&#039;t remember the url at the mo as I am not at my PC (currently mobile) but google it! it&#039;s easy to find - I also subscribe to browsershots...

hope it helps... Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I occasionally use browserpool, a little out of date for a virtual methinks but useful all the same.  Can&#8217;t remember the url at the mo as I am not at my PC (currently mobile) but google it! it&#8217;s easy to find &#8211; I also subscribe to browsershots&#8230;</p>
<p>hope it helps&#8230; Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Hamish</title>
		<link>http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1031-Testing-Your-Site-In-Safari/comment-page-1#comment-3665</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google&#039;s new Chrome browser uses the same rendering engine as Safari apparently (WebKit).  If that truly is the case then it&#039;s a simple route to checking if a page is likely to render OK in Safari, but not a definitive test. I guess we just have yet another browser to check against.
 
I just tested a site of mine with it and it looks mangled in Chrome, so will probably be the same in Safari. Oh Joy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s new Chrome browser uses the same rendering engine as Safari apparently (WebKit).  If that truly is the case then it&#8217;s a simple route to checking if a page is likely to render OK in Safari, but not a definitive test. I guess we just have yet another browser to check against.</p>
<p>I just tested a site of mine with it and it looks mangled in Chrome, so will probably be the same in Safari. Oh Joy!</p>
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		<title>By: Xeen</title>
		<link>http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1031-Testing-Your-Site-In-Safari/comment-page-1#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice link collection. I tried if my page works in Safari and yes, it does without any problems. It seems that alpha trasnparency on pngs is not supported or maybe disabled or something, but that isn&#039;t that important and doesn&#039;t make the page unreadable. Building on recommended standards is really worth it - I wouldn&#039;t wanna know how ugly my page would look if I had used browser specific stuff - apart from IE&#039;s conditional comments to provide fixes for all the things IE gets wrong. If IE7 would be as supportive as all the other browsers this&#039;d be great.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;xeen&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice link collection. I tried if my page works in Safari and yes, it does without any problems. It seems that alpha trasnparency on pngs is not supported or maybe disabled or something, but that isn&#8217;t that important and doesn&#8217;t make the page unreadable. Building on recommended standards is really worth it &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t wanna know how ugly my page would look if I had used browser specific stuff &#8211; apart from IE&#8217;s conditional comments to provide fixes for all the things IE gets wrong. If IE7 would be as supportive as all the other browsers this&#8217;d be great.</p>
<p>xeen&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it doesn&#039;t support Safari AFAIK, http://totalvalidator.com is a very handy, and free, screenshotting service with looooads of other stuff.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it doesn&#8217;t support Safari AFAIK, <a href="http://totalvalidator.com" rel="nofollow">http://totalvalidator.com</a> is a very handy, and free, screenshotting service with looooads of other stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Toast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Space Toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I should probably put a word in for Safari.  If a stylesheet works in Firefox, you&#039;ll generally get the same results in Safari.  The real problem for cross-platform web development is Internet Explorer, which has such a psychopathic disregard for standards and so many different codebases that even equal version numbers will not display similar results between OS-X and Windows.  (&lt;snark&gt;Opera would be a similar problem if anyone used it.&lt;/snark&gt;)  Face it: web development is a mess right now, and barring a disruptive technology it probably won&#039;t get much better in the future.

Transparent PNGs are supported quite well in Safari, in both foreground and background images, as seen on my blog: /www.spacetoast.net/STP&gt;.  I think that may have been an issue with the Safari emulator.  IE up to 6.x could only display them correctly as foreground elements.  I&#039;ve noticed that even Firefox can&#039;t do PNG transparency under older versions of Windows, probably as a result of a graphics library call.  Ahh, .png -- for a 20 year old file format, you&#039;re awfully troublesome.

Safari isn&#039;t a perfect browser (lack of customization options is my biggest pet peeve) but it seems to be doing far more good than harm on the web right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I should probably put a word in for Safari.  If a stylesheet works in Firefox, you&#8217;ll generally get the same results in Safari.  The real problem for cross-platform web development is Internet Explorer, which has such a psychopathic disregard for standards and so many different codebases that even equal version numbers will not display similar results between OS-X and Windows.  (<snark>Opera would be a similar problem if anyone used it.</snark>)  Face it: web development is a mess right now, and barring a disruptive technology it probably won&#8217;t get much better in the future.</p>
<p>Transparent PNGs are supported quite well in Safari, in both foreground and background images, as seen on my blog: /www.spacetoast.net/STP>.  I think that may have been an issue with the Safari emulator.  IE up to 6.x could only display them correctly as foreground elements.  I&#8217;ve noticed that even Firefox can&#8217;t do PNG transparency under older versions of Windows, probably as a result of a graphics library call.  Ahh, .png &#8212; for a 20 year old file format, you&#8217;re awfully troublesome.</p>
<p>Safari isn&#8217;t a perfect browser (lack of customization options is my biggest pet peeve) but it seems to be doing far more good than harm on the web right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Khlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Safari is a fairly good browser, I do agree. Though as a developer, I&#039;ve learnt to work with IE and it&#039;s easy and accessible for me to find any IE quirks and iron them out. With Safari it&#039;s a different story - I&#039;ve come across several Safari quirks over the last few days (with Canvas, JS) and I&#039;ve not known about them because I can&#039;t test using Safari. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Safari is a fairly good browser, I do agree. Though as a developer, I&#8217;ve learnt to work with IE and it&#8217;s easy and accessible for me to find any IE quirks and iron them out. With Safari it&#8217;s a different story &#8211; I&#8217;ve come across several Safari quirks over the last few days (with Canvas, JS) and I&#8217;ve not known about them because I can&#8217;t test using Safari.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yonzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also http://browsershots.org which works does exactly what you want and even in linux too!
Unfortunately, as a free service, they are usually overloaded, but hey - it&#039;s free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also <a href="http://browsershots.org" rel="nofollow">http://browsershots.org</a> which works does exactly what you want and even in linux too!<br />
Unfortunately, as a free service, they are usually overloaded, but hey &#8211; it&#8217;s free.</p>
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		<title>By: Khlo</title>
		<link>http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1031-Testing-Your-Site-In-Safari/comment-page-1#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Khlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice, thanks for the link. It&#039;s unfortunate that they&#039;re rejecting the vast majority of requests. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice, thanks for the link. It&#8217;s unfortunate that they&#8217;re rejecting the vast majority of requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Matvey</title>
		<link>http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/1031-Testing-Your-Site-In-Safari/comment-page-1#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator>Matvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the browsercamp link was very helpful, thanks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the browsercamp link was very helpful, thanks.</p>
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